What affects Hubscore, Hubber Score and Search Ranking
82By keeping a record of my own activity on HubPages and monitoring the results with the tools that HubPages provides, as well as scrutinizing my Google Analytics reports, I am noticing certain patterns.
I can clearly see that there is a difference between the workings of your Hub Scores, your Hubber Score and even your Search Engine Ranking. This discussion explains the difference and what affects each.
Before I begin, let me give a brief explanation of the three items.
- Hub Score is the score HP gives each of your hubs.
- Hubber Score is the single score you get on yourself and it’s noted in your profile.
- Search Ranking is how the search engines rank you. A higher ranking will bring more search engine traffic.
Hubber Score
To start with, I think your Hubber score is a reflection on how much you donate to the community, not just publishing hubs.
I noticed a while back that after my Hub Score climbed over 90, I had become more relaxed and spent more time away from HubPages.
I know, I know, please accept my humble apologies. Does it help any to say I needed the time to work on my own web site? Okay, I won’t let it happen again. I’m here.
Well, in a matter of days I saw my Hubber Score drop to 87 from 93. After a few days of sharing my two-cents in various forums, my Hubber Score climbed back up. Now this is no scientific study. There were too many other variables involved.
I had published other hubs along the way, people were clicking thumbs up and thumbs down (well hopefully not), and people were leaving comments and I was replying to comments with questions.
I don’t think your individual Hub Scores have any reflection on your Hubber Score. I’ll tell you why. It’s only logical that Hub Scores relate to the articles you write. It’s the strength of the subject and the quality of the writing. That includes spelling, grammar, and originality. I’m guessing at the first two because there must be a reason why HP does not accept non-English Hubs.
Okay then, so what does your Hubber Score relate to? All the other things you do on HP. So what do you suppose might happen if someone does everything right except they never publish any Hubs? What an interesting idea to consider, just for research if nothing else.
What if someone signs up and never publishes any Hubs? But they become very active in the HP community, posting to the forums, answering requests, voting up and down (oh no!), and posting comments. Do they get a high Hubber Score anyway? Let’s find out, shall we?
Hubber Activity Survey
Please vote ONLY if you are active in the HP community except that you don’t write and don’t publish Hubs. If you have any published Hubs then you are not part of this survey.
See results without voting
Based on the above survey after 1 1/2 years since I published this hub, over 50% of Hubbers who don't write hubs have a Hubber Score over 90 as long as they are active in the community in other ways. Wow!
Things That Affect Your Hubber Score And Why
Posting frequently (but meaningfully) in the forums generates more traffic to your hubs because if people like what you say and you seem like you have something to offer, they may click to your profile and check to see what hubs you may have.
Asking questions under the “Answers” tab may prompt other people to publish hubs. Answering Requests also adds more informational posts or hubs that brings Google traffic, mostly if you answer by creating a hub.
I am sure all this is built into that HP algorithm because HP wants to generate more hub creation. After all, they make 40% of the profit. (Note: You can see other Hubber’s questions by clicking “View Questions” under “Answers Tab”)
Leaving comments in Hubs automatically leaves a link to your profile with each comment. This can generate more traffic to your hubs. But I think the fact that you are actively commenting in hubs may be part of the Hubber Score Algorithm. It’s for the same reason, HP wants you to be doing things that bring traffic around because it means more profit for HP too.
Bottom line, the more you do in the HP community that can generate more traffic that eventually generate some paid clicks, the more HP rewards you with a higher Hubber Score.
Individual Hub Scores
It’s harder to get your individual Hub Scores higher. Hub Scores fluctuate over time, even minute to minute. I realize that anything can happen to make Hub Scores temporarily go down. It’s a little frustrating but I became accustomed to it. The rest of this discussion focuses on Hub Scores and Search Engine Ranking, as they are closely related.
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HubScores fluctuate for many reasons...one of which might be because some people read hubs and they either click to vote up or down (HP used to call this thumbs up and thumbs down) or they may forget to click at all. I am only guessing, but if I were programming the algorithm for Hub Score, I’d include a "no vote" in some way as it indicates a level of uncertainty.
Outside Links
The HP terms of service indicates that if we have more than two outside links in any hub, it affects our hub score. But they don’t say how. I have to assume that links in comments are counted towards that limit. I started noticing more and more spam comments with kinks to outside websites. I see a lot of talk about this problem in the forums. I noticed some Hubs with external links in comments had lowering Hub Scores over time. So I deleted those comments and changed the setting in all my comment capsules to only allow comments from registered Hubbers.
Length of Visit Indicates Quality of Your Hub
Another thing that affects the Hub Score is how long people stay on the page (Hub) and how many return visitors you get to the Hub. I see that Google is recording the traffic and the length of stay on the hub in the Google Analytics reports. Google definitely keeps track of that and uses the results to rank your hubs accordingly. I discuss that in detail in my hub How To Keep Your Reader's Attention.
I imagine that this eventually turns into outside traffic from Google searches. One thing that every Hubber should understand is that these things take time. I have read other hubs where it was mentioned that many people give up too quick. All I can say is “don’t give up.” Just keep learning, keep working on your writing skills, and keep writing quality content.
Be careful with the kind of backlinks you get. If we get too much traffic from unreliable sources that are not certain they want the subject of our hub, they click away real quick. That hurts both our Hub Score with HP as well as our Search Engine Ranking. As I said above, Google for sure is using length-of-visit as part of their ranking algorithm.
Generate Traffic With The Right Categories
There are hundreds of categories and once in a while HubPages adds new ones. Placing your Hub in the proper category will help generate more traffic from people who are looking for that particular subject. These are the readers you want. They stay longer, they’ll possibly bookmark and re-visit and maybe even give you a thumbs up.
All this is reflected in a higher Hub Score. It makes Google happy because they see an interest in your Hub, and it makes HP happy because it increases the chance of ad clicks. Happy Google gives you a better Ranking. Happy HP gives your Hub a better Hub Score.
Assigning Your Hubs To Groups
You can take advantage of arranging your hubs in groups to funnel in the right traffic. What do I mean by the right traffic? I mean readers who are interested in your topic.
If you leave all your unrelated hubs in a default group, known as the orphan hubs group, then readers who see the links at the bottom of your hubs will ignore them if they don’t spark an interest. But if you create groups and organize your hubs accordingly, then a reader who found a specific subject interesting will most likely click on a link to another of your Hubs in the same group because it pertains to the same subject (assuming you grouped them meaningfully).
Proper Use of Tags
The tags we Hubbers specify are only used by HP. Not by the search engines. I know this because I examined the HTML code of various Hubs and I see that HP does not place keyword meta tags in the hubs. This makes perfect sense because HP is very much up with the latest technology and Search Engines just simply don’t use keyword meta tags anymore. They were abused too much by keyword spammers. Their algorithm is much more complex now with using the actual body of text.
What I found is that Tags help assign your Hub to a list with other people's Hubs using the same tag. If someone reading any of these Hubs wants more information on the subject, they may click on one of the tags that relate to their interest. This brings them to a listing of Hubs which also use that tag. If that tag is in your Hub then a link to you're Hub will be included in that list.
So when you work on a new Hub, or update an old one, do some research on various tags and see what other type of Hubs match up. If they are related to your topic then include the same tags they used in your Hub.
Just as important, if you find a tag brings up unrelated Hubs, don't use that tag. If you bring in traffic that doesn't match what the person is looking for, then you will have a lot of quick exits. This will hurt your ranking.
Write a Good Summary
HP places your summary in the HTML description meta tag for search engines to use. This is important. The summary text is also used when another Hubber refers to your Hub in a link list.
When you are in Edit Mode you will see a box on the right side with tabs for tags, settings, summary, and the group for your Hub. I just discussed the tags and groups above.
The image to the right shows an example with the summary tab selected and the summary I typed in for this Hub. Make sure you check all the tabs of this box and complete the information. Otherwise these things default to something that may not work as well for you.
Conclusion
In conclusion, remember that your success is up to you. HubPages gives you the tools you need to publish a great Hub that will attract readers and possibly make you a little money. Maybe more than a little. But it's up to you to make use of these tools.
I see a lot of Hubs where people leave things to chance with the default settings. Or they crowd all their text into long paragraphs that lose the reader. White space between paragraphs is another important thing to help a reader stay with you. Eye candy helps too. That means a few images that relate the the subject will enhance the topic.
Writers who don't consider the reader and make it easy to follow along have not done a complete job and it shows. Don't be one of them. You are are good writer, so complete your Hubs with all the additional requirements for your own success. Good luck.
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Another very good lesson and need all the help I can get. Thank you. One question - how do I stop backlinks from unreliable sourses and them clicking on my hub?
I never have been able to figure out why the scores fluctuate other than when you don't publish anything for a while. Your article has been helpful.
Fantastic! Another good one DS! x
Thank you for the information and a great hub!
It definitely sheds some interesting light on the subject for me because I too wondered about how these numbers were all generated—because they fluctuate so much. It's also interesting to see that at times an unpublished hub's Hub Score also rises. That's happening even before anyone is thumbing it up or down or even seeing it for that matter.
I'm curious as well, because I've been doing it, whenever I go back to one of my hubs either to comment back or to edit it I always give it a thumbs up click myself (since the option is there I figure why not). But I'm wondering if clicking my own hub a thumbs up will actually produce a negative result? Any ideas on that...or anyone?
Thank you, Glenn, for your comeback and answer.
Well, maybe I'll have to completely ignore one of my hub's thumb up or down and see if I see anything different there. It makes sense about the time thing, though. I noticed a hub I wrote in a word processing program and then copied pasted appropriately the way I wanted it started out with a low hub score while one that I've been working on for several days now and have been doing all of the writing and editing directly within HPs interface, it's actually already quite high on the hub score even though its not published yet.
Glen , Interesting information I would like to know. How do you know when your hub has been thumbed up or down for that matter. :-)
Thanks for the chance to read this it covers some of the points that still confuse me here. I am still on a learning curve here at Hubpages. I have bookmarked this hub as it will be helpful in the future. Thank you.
Thanks for this interesting info. I have long wondered baout such things but not being very technical I didn't know how to start to find it out.
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Tony
Very informative and important information! Thank you for helping me understand the scoring process better. Two Thumbs up, and I rated this hub up a notch!
That is something that has been nagging me, thanks for clearing things up a bit! Im still tryin my best to get my hub score up as we speak!
thanks for the clarification
Thanks for the information. But my question is why my hubber score fluctuates up and down. Please help me on this.
One interesting thing is that it seems HubPages rewards longer hubs, i.e. those having more words. While that's fine in theory, I suspect most internet travelers aren't interested in - or don't really have the attention span for - a 3,000-word hub. Unfortunately there isn't an option (yet) to measure how long visitors spend on each of your hubs.
Great post, very nice information here.
I really enjoyed the read. Thank you
I don't think I need to say it, as everyone else has, but GREAT hub. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for us.
I have been wondering and I was pointed to your hub. This helps Thanks
Well said - although I have published less than 50 Hubs in nearly a year, I maintained my score above 90 just by asking questions and responding to other people's comments even in my Hubs.
Absolutely the most informative Hub I've read about how the hubber score works. I'm shocked to know that there are people (lots of them it seems) who don't publish any hubs and have high hubber scores! Crazy... Thanks so much, this was extremely helpful.
This hub explains a lot to me. I have currently an 82. Really couldn't figure out how to get it up 8>p
I write, but I don't get into the activity of hubpages. It would be interesting if I became totally engrossed into the activity side of hubpages for say...one week? and still write my hubs. Then see how my score goes.
Great and insightful hub...really helped me. I write for 5 blogs daily, now if I can do this test and still keep up with my regular work hmmmm
That's so interesting, such a fantastically written useful article!
Very helpful, thanks! I was actually wondering if comments and forum participation hurt scores when I found your hub. I hadn't been posting many new hubs lately, mostly just reading other hubs and leaving comments. My hubber score seems to have gone down a bit over the last few day, but then again, it keeps jumping 3 or 4 numbers with seemingly no rhyme or reason. My average hub page score seems to stay consistant at 74, so I was wondering what on earth could be causing the fluctuations...very helpful post, thanks!
interesting hub--very well written and insightful.
Your hub really interesting and I learned a lot from it. Great hub! definitely worth for a vote up!
great hub! i'm a newbie so i learn a lot. Thanks
At the top of this comment capsule, you have included a line of text (large font). I have seen that on a few other people's hubs as well, but can't figure out how to do it. What am I missing?
Glenn, what a wonderful hub to read. :) Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Hi Glen, thanks for the information. The careful measure and clear-cut writing makes this hub a true benefit to the community. I appreciate the knowledge as I am just getting started. Now I know what I need to do to succeed!
Thanks again for good stuff. It's very helpful to read hubs like this. I appreciate that you share what you learn so that the HP community can improve as a whole.
very interesting insights into the enigma of hubpages scoring system. thanks. you seem to have a great grasp on what you're talking about, which i appreciate.
Great research and observations- thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this, very useful!
Very interesting. I haven't noticed a place to write my own summary so I think I will find that and make some changes. Thanks for pointing out something that I missed.
in teh however many years we've been here do think that the pattern has changed/ I would suggest not, as long as you give back to teh community here and enjoy what you are writing your hub scores will stay around a decent level.
Thank you for this very useful and informative hub. I will definitely be using some of the information. I have voted this hub useful and up!
@Glenn, I missed your reply 6 months ago to my question 6 months ago. (The new "smart following" algorithm should help there.) You misunderstood, but I just figured it out anyway. In case anyone else was watching this, the bold text "What's Your Opinion?" to the left of the follow button is simply the title of the Comments capsule when editing it!
Thanks for this and similar how-to-hub-its. I love your level of analytic inquiry. We think alike. I've held off publishing, though, because I didn't want to give a bum steer. The only thing similar I've published so far was my analysis of the winning hubs in the MGOH contest, but I've been collecting data for a few others.
I so appreciate the time it took you to figure this all out for so many of us. I was incredibly curiuos about how this is working. Thank you for this wonderful hub explaining it all. This makes it even more fun~ really.
Thanks Glenn~I really appreciate your expertise.
Thanks for this extremely clear definition of these three items. I've been wondering how all this plays out, and now I know. Great hub and I voted it up.
My pleasure...your hubs have been priceless because of all the nuggets of information. I've bookmarked several for faster reference :)
Thanks! You answered most of my questions!
Great article
Interesting and useful information. I was a bit puzzled as my hubs score was going up, traffic increasing but my profile score was going down. This article explains the reason well. Keep it up.
Great article, very useful!
thanks this helped me so much...the explanation that HP gives about what a hubscore is needs to really be explained in more details
Thanks, Great Hub
If more than two links have impact on the hub score, are links to my own other hub included in this limit?
Hi Glenn:
I know that we have discussed what influences our individual hubber and hub article scores numerous times at prior monthly hubpage meetings. However its always good to regurgitate on the topic a few times, to keep it fresh in our minds. Very useful information which I not only found interesting but voted up as well. Thanks again for this refresher!
Jim
Still useful info. Thanks. I have some Hubs I can go take another look at using this info.



















































elayne001 Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago
I am learning much from your observations at HP. Thanks for pointing out things that I have been wondering about.