Facebook's Deception of Deactivated Accounts
By Glenn Stok
In September 2011 Facebook claimed to have 800 million subscribers. My personal experience indicates that this number of users is a deception.
Facebook IPO News
On Feb 1st, 2012, Facebook filed its initial public offering with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In it, they had to admit that only about half of the 800 million subscribers they were claiming to have, are actually active daily users.
The source of this information is from an article by CNBC and Reuters, referencing the IPO filing, stating that Facebook only has 483 million daily active users as of December 31st, 2011
This confirms what I was saying in this article since I first published it on 12/14/2009.
Was this just a big charade to get $100 billion for their IPO?
In October 2006 Yahoo wanted to buy Facebook for $1 billion. In October 2007, Microsoft bought a 1.6% stake in Facebook for $240 million. Goldman Sacks investors are also pooling their money together to buy Facebook before the IPO. Is everyone being fooled?
In February 2012, they finally applied to the S.E.C. for an Initial Public Offering at $5 billion. See "Facebook IPO News" in the column to the right.
A Facebook IPO at $5 billion means that Microsoft’s 1.6% stake will be worth only $80 million (a lose of $160 million). Microsoft will break even on their investment if Facebook shares triple from their opening price. The shares have to triple just to break even!
So here’s the story of my experience...
When I signed up for a Facebook account and created a profile, in a very short time I started getting friend requests from people I didn’t know. This became so annoying I decided to cancel my account and delete my Facebook profile..
I have been struggling with that ever since and it became obvious to me that Facebook does not allow anyone to cancel their account and remove their data.
They continue to show user accounts as active members even though they are long gone and even though they have tried to cancel their accounts.
Read on to learn about the charade with account cancellations
The Charade With Account Cancellations
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There are two things one can do, neither of which helps.
- You can deactivate your account. Which still allows people to find your profile and request to be friends.
- You can request to cancel and completely remove your account data. But this is very tricky and difficult to achieve.
Here is what my experience has been with both of these cases…
At first I could not find any option to delete my profile. All I found was a way to deactivate the account. So I did that. I use Google alerts to monitor my name on the Internet and months later Google sent me an alert indicating that I was still being listed on Facebook. So I tried logging back in, only to discover a bunch of friend requests that were accumulating. That proved that people were still seeing my profile.
Logging back in had reactivated my account, so I deactivated it again. But that only put me back in the useless stage I was in before, with Facebook including me with their “active” accounts.
I wonder if they are doing this just to make themselves look bigger than they are in order to get a bigger sales price should they ever go public. Google and Yahoo both tried to buy Facebook. But Facebook didn’t sell. Are they holding out for more? Are they buying time to build an even bigger false image, fooling anyone who may still want to buy them out?
I had posted notices to Facebook requested to remove all my profile data and waited and waited. I even tried logging back in to search for a link that might allow complete removal. But every time I logged in, I found more friend requests. I even found some requests from people I knew. That bothered me because these people should be emailing me direct if they want to be in touch. After all, they knew me. How silly!
I tried changing all my profile info so that it would not match up if anyone tried to find me on Facebook. I didn’t think it was fair to let people request to be my friend if I wasn’t looking at it and responding anyway. Those who really know me can just email me. They have my email address.
When I tried to change the data, a notice indicated that the changes would take effect after a few days. But after many months, the changes I made to my city, state and other info all remained the same as I first entered it.
Okay, I realize that the Facebook privacy policy does say that any information you enter remains. But this is stupid. What if someone moves? Or did they refuse to allow my changes because they knew I was doing it to try to negate my profile? I wonder.
After many more months, I spent hours on Internet searches for help from other people in blogs and news columns. I discovered that this is a widespread problem. I tried going into the Facebook help section and entered the query “I want to permanently delete my account”. Aha! I found the following in the Help Center on Facebook's website.…
Note that they admit, “we do save your profile information (friends, photos, interests, etc.), and your account will look just the way it did when you deactivated if you decide to reactivate it.”
And their privacy policy, the way I interpret it, clearly indicates that you have no privacy. So I call it a non-privacy policy.
Anyway, I followed through with the request and waited another couple of months. My profile never disappeared. After several months I decided to try deleting my profile again. I tried to log in and my passcode was no good. I clicked on the “forgot passcode” option to reset my passcode, and got back an indication that my email address was not associated with any account. Of course not, they deleted my account! BUT THEY LEFT THE DATA THERE!
Facebook Privacy Policy
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This behavior of keeping user data happens to be clearly explained in their privacy policy. All I can say is “Buyer Beware!” Or in this case, “Facebook Member Beware!”
In my Internet searches, I have found blogs where people’s lives were destroyed because of comments or other information they themselves posted, or that others have posted about them, true or not, that may jeopardize their future and that Facebook will never ever remove. Once these people grow up and try to get their first job employment, it all comes back to haunt them.
At least for me, I have nothing posted anywhere to be concerned about. But I do feel bad that people who knew me in the past or business clients who find my profile will click for a friend request in Facebook and they will be wondering why I never respond.
New Privacy Settings
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In June 2009 Facebook added a feature to allow blocking various data by specifying what you want to make available and to whom. You can specify to just let friends see your data, or friends of friends, or everyone. Problem is, that when they implemented this, the default is “everyone” and most users don’t even know the feature is available to be changed.
Mark Zuckerberg, himself, had his profile publicly visible since October 2009. You could not request to be a friend. That was blocked. But you could still see his friends list and make requests to each of them to be your friend. Major privacy issue if you ask me!
On December 9th, 2009 Facebook introduced some new privacy settings. Their non-privacy policy still remains as I still see my “deleted” profile is still online and can be found with a Google search.
The new settings allow one to specify what parts of your profile are visible and to whom. You can now hide your friend list. But third party apps exist that can circumvent that and trace your friends. Facebook’s privacy policy still says “We are not responsible for third party circumvention of any privacy settings or security measures on Facebook.”
Facebook continues to introduce changes from time to time. In July 2010 Facebook redesigned their event pages to look more like the profile pages in an effort to make all of the site have a common look and feel. But one thing that never changes is that they continue to have the desire to hold on to old accounts that are long gone.
Later in 2010 they simplified the privacy page by including the ability to set privacy on everything you share. Okay, that may help. But deleting everything has always remained a mystery.
Federal Trade Commission Cracking Down
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According to a story in the Washington Post on Nov 29th 2011, Facebook just settled eight counts of privacy violations with the Federal Trade Commission. Facebook has avoided monetary fines by agreeing to change certain aspects of its privacy policy.
I don't see much improvement with this since they are still taking advantage of people who don't read their privacy policy page before signing up.
The changes they made to settle with the FTC simply specify that they will ask users for permission before changing the way they share user data. This doesn't help those who have lost their privacy rights because they signed up prior to this settlement. It will only require notification of changes to the present policy. How silly is that?
Absolute Removal Method Finally Revealed
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Previously they just had a link that deactivates your account as I spoke about above. They never gave any way to delete anything since their privacy policy says they own anything you upload and all data you enter.
Facebook finally created a way to delete accounts. But they made it extremely complicated so the request tends to fail. But found out how to succeeded at it.
I found a link hidden away deep in the pages of Facebook that lets one permanently delete an account. But it involves all sorts of rules to follow after you submit your request. If you mess up, your request is canceled.
You also have to follow strict rules throughout a 14 day period. This I am sure was done to increase your chances of messing up during that time.
Okay, I know you are wondering what I am talking about. So let me tell you the details of what I went through. I followed the steps...and it said, "Your account will be removed in 14 days." This is tricky. They obviously don’t want to make it easy.
If they truly wanted to allow people to delete their accounts, they would have simply let the request be performed immediately and be done with it. But by requiring a 14-day waiting period it gives you the opportunity to undo your request, which keeps your account intact and active. There are several ways you can easily mess up in those 14 days...
- If you leave your Facebook app on your iPhone and your phone is turned on during that 14-day period, your request to delete your account will be canceled.
- If you accidentally click a "like" button on any website that uses Facebook to register the "like" then your request to delete your account will be canceled.
- If you log into any other social networking site that uses Facebook Connect, your request to delete your account will be canceled.
How To Really Delete Your FaceBook Profile
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Okay. So here is the way to finally get yourself out of Facebook. Have fun finding this info on their site. It’s not prominently displayed. But you don’t need to look. I explain it all here.
I was actually able to get a new password to log on to my deactivated account. That was mandatory in order to get back in to delete it with their new method. I tried it in March 2011 and now I can’t find my profile. Finally really gone!
So if you can still log in, go to the following URL and carefully follow the instructions on that page.
https://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account
If you did it all as they request, your account will be in a deactivated state for 14 days and will be permanently deleted after that 14 day period. But ONLY if you abide by all the following...
- Remove any reference to your Facebook account from any other website that uses Facebook Connect logins.
- Remove any Facebook apps from your iPhone.
- Refrain from clicking any "Like" buttons on any sites if they use Facebook.
Now wait 14 days. Three weeks just to be sure because if you check on it before its done, you will have canceled your delete request. The same is true if any other service you use attempts to access your Facebook account within that 14 day period. The deletion process will be canceled and your account will remain activate.
You see? It's still not easy. So what do you think? Is it a deception that Facebook is creating?
What People Are Asking
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I can see what people are asking when Google sends them to this article by reviewing my Google Analytics reports.
I thought it would be interesting to include some of these questions. It's a clear representation of the anguish people are feeling...
- Why am I still getting friend requests even though I deactivated my Facebook account?
- ANSWER: Deactivating your account does not remove your profile, which is now owned by Facebook according to their privacy policy which most people don't read when they sign up..
- ANSWER: Deactivating your account does not remove your profile, which is now owned by Facebook according to their privacy policy which most people don't read when they sign up..
- What info remains for friends to see when facebook account is deactivated?
- ANSWER: Your deactivated profile remains available for search. I myself still got friend requests even though I deactivated my account. So that means they are finding me when they search.
- ANSWER: Your deactivated profile remains available for search. I myself still got friend requests even though I deactivated my account. So that means they are finding me when they search.
- Once I have deactivated my account why is it still showing in google public search?
- ANSWER: As long as Facebook leaves your profile online Google bots will find it. Deactivating is useless. What they need is a true and honest "delete" mechanism.
- ANSWER: As long as Facebook leaves your profile online Google bots will find it. Deactivating is useless. What they need is a true and honest "delete" mechanism.
- How Can I stop friend requests after deactivating my Facebook profile?
- ANSWER: Again, can't be done under their present policy. If anyone actually found a way I invite you to explain how in the "Reader Comments" below.
- ANSWER: Again, can't be done under their present policy. If anyone actually found a way I invite you to explain how in the "Reader Comments" below.
- Why deactivated Facebook profile still shows?
- ANSWER: See answer above.
- ANSWER: See answer above.
- Why am I still getting friend requests?
- ANSWER: See answer above.
Copyright © 2009 Glenn Stok
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What Facebook problems have you had?
janiek13, yes indeed. It amazes me too. Thanks for your comments.
Wow. Another reminder to be careful. You can't undo anything.
the Web is forever - forgets nothing...
Yes, it´s necessary to think about what you post on which site. But Facebook is a wonderful site to exchange your content with other people.
It´s up to everybody to know what you do - it´s like in real life...
So you were annoyed that a) you had friend requests from people that you didn't know, and b) that you had friend friend requests from people that you did know? Surely that defeats the object of Facebook as a networking tool completely? The whole idea of the site is that people you do know can add you as a friend so that communication becomes easier, subsequently making the email effectively obsolete. You are able to dictate your privacy settings so that people cannot see any information about you until you accept their request, all you need to do if you dont know them or cant rememeber them is press 'deny'. The issue of account deletion was a major problem at Facebooks end, at that time I had actually deactivated my account and their system failed to allow me to reactivate. Those issues have been resolved entirely....
Regards, Ry.
Ry, It's about time that they resolved these issues. But my account, like yours, has been deactivated per my request and I can't log into it anymore to change anything. Per their privacy policy they are keeping my deactivated profile online. So there still is no way to remove it.
If I decide to leave Facebook at some point in the future, I will change all of my info before it is "deactivated". Thank you for the information.
Ooooh... I'm gonna get creative.
@Glenn Stok - When you deactivate your account it should be invisible to all parties. The way to reactivate an account is to log on again using the correct email address and password. Have you tried recently? By recently I mean in the past couple of months? I actually deactivated my account for two days last week, and then reactivated it by simply logging in. Could it be that you are using the wrong password? Could you submit a 'forgot password' request to determine whether this may be the problem? When I deactivated my account last week my profile dissapeared from facebook search, friends lists, and other features... Regards, Ry.
Ry, A long time ago I was able to log back in, which reactivated my account as you said. I only logged back in to try to change my info since I saw it was still appearing. Of course, each time I logged in I had to deactivate it again. But the changes I made never were accepted, I think because I complained that I wanted them to remove everything, which is against their written policy.
Another time I made a formal written request for them to cancel my account. That put an end to any ability to log back in. BUT the data is STILL there. They did something to make it impossible to log in now or even get a new password by clicking the 'forgot password' link. It just says "Invalid Email". Nothing works now. But they continue to keep the data as per their written policy. My name comes up on a search as an existing user. This is why I think they are doing this to make it look like they have many more members than they really have. As of today, it still looks that way, otherwise my name wouldn't appear anymore as a member.
Glenn, if it makes you feel any better....
If I search for you via Facebooks search facility, no Glenn Stok shows up. This suggests that Facebook have indeed removed your profile.
What you do have however is a Google Index for your name, which leads to an entirely blank Facebook profile (no picture, no friends, no personal information). All that I can ascertain from that you are from Suffolk County, New York... is that correct?
I believe that the problem in fact lies with Google, who cache their search results, and often leave ghost pages for some time.... I have even deleted blogs before and had old pages show up for as long as 14 months..... despite those pages no longer existing (like a screenprint, held indefinitely).
The likelyhood is that Google will get around to clearing this cached data at some point in the future, and that the reference to your name on the search results will dissapear at this stage.
Certain other search engines do not use such a system (designed to keep informative pages represented when servers crash etc). A cached page will retain certain generic elements, e.g. the add as friend button.
Some other search engines will work very differently, Yahoo does not index cached pages, I couldnt find your facebook page indexed on there.
Whilst you are indeed correct, the page does exist in some form or another, it shouldnt at this stage be indexed by search engines. Google are very slow with this.
As an example, I could type any random page URL on hubpages, lets say www.hubpages.com/abc, and this would lead to a fully functional page, with no content. Just because I have typed that URL, doesnt mean that it should be indexed on Google. The URL of your profile will exist eternally in a strange, non-existant, way. Google will get around to making it impossible to find.
I havent explained this too well.... but I know that, at this stage at least, you are not considered an 'active' Facebook member.
Fingers crossed that Google will clear their stupid records soon.... I have had the same problem with bookmarking sites before by the way. In fact, no page anywhere on the internet will completely dissapear. There is actually an internet archive which 'archives' every webpage ever produced. You could delete this hub today, and I could find an exact cache of the page in 3 months time by just remembering one line of the text. It would show me this exact page, and that is true by the way!
It is this silly system which Google uses, and has used for too long. Sorry for the long post.
Regards,
Ryan.
Ryan, Thanks for your in-depth research. I know about that page on Facebook that shows my location but nothing else. That is what they left there and it is found with a direct link to that page. So it really has nothing to do with Google's cache. Google will not drop it as long as it continues to be a valid page on Facebook and it does does not return a 404 error when Google checks it periodically. Yahoo simply never picked up on it, which is why they don't list it. The problem still remains that people who know me ask why I never accepted their invitation to be a friend on Facebook. And I tell them it's because I don't log in to it and don't use it. I still feel that the day will come when Facebook goes public and tries to sell their stock for a lot more than it's worth.
I know about the site that archives the internet. I use it sometimes to look back 10 years to see how my own business site has changed.
By the way, I have php code that lets me know when a search bot tried to hit any deleted page on my site. I can see when Google checks on pages I already removed. I noticed that they remove those pages from their search quite fast. But their bots keep checking to see if I ever put those pages back. The point I'm making is that since I run my own site, I can see that Google is very active in keeping up to date. The only problem they encounter is when a webmaster does not do things right and fails to return a 404 error on deleted pages. But I'm getting far from the Facebook theme here.
Hi Glenn,
Thats fair enough, it seems that you know more than me about the subject and thus are probably right! Just to clarify that I am not seeking to defend Facebook in any way, I have my own article dedicated to how much I hate that site!
Take it easy,
Ry.
Ryan, Yes, I read a couple of your other hubs and I like how you write. I saw you had one of Facebook Groups. I'll look for the other one. Anyone reading this may want to see Ryan's hubs too. He writes well about many useful subjects with helpful tips.
This hub reminds us that the internet is forever and ever. I have an account on fb, but it amazes me the things that people will share about themselves. Good job!
This is an informative hub and the videos support it. It reminds us that social networking must be handled carefully. We must be vigilant in what we post in our wall.
When I started using facebook, the first thing that I checked is their privacy feature. You can group your friends, limit who can search you, see your profile pix, access photo album, read your information, or check your wall post. But I did not write any information except for my name and e-mail address. So far, it did work for me. I hope this would help other users, too.
Have a great week!
Tina, Thanks for your comments and info. Although it's possible to limit what can be viewed, it seems that once you cancel your account you can't change the limit options anymore. So if someone doesn't disable all items to be viewed before canceling, then they are stuck and will forever be viewable as an existing Facebook member even though they are not.
This is an interesting issue! I never knew this was a problem until now - I have friends who have "deleted" their account, but I'm not sure if they have ever gone back to see if their account had really disappeared. Thank you for this information and for bringing up this issue.
glassvisage, Do me a favor and report back here after you ask your friends to check if their accounts are still there. Or try looking them up to see if you still find them. Recently a friend of mine deleted his account and I was able to find everything about all the people on his wall still intact weeks later. Nothing was removed. I am hoping someone discovers a trick that works, so let me know what they say. Thanks for your feedback.
It all comes down to a simple 'be careful what you do online'. Assume anyone can see what you post and that it's there forever. Then, pretend that and be careful what you post instead of relying on privacy settings.
Exmoor, ever so true. Thanks for visiting.
I went through the process of deleting my account 1 year ago. I Googled my name, and it said I was on Facebook, but when I clicked the link, it said "Profile deleted". Great... I did it.
I made a new account using my truck as myself(yes, my truck)this way I can add my friends, and I figure no one else will friend what looks like a trucks profile. Funny thing is, now when I type in my name from my "deleted" account,Facebook shows that I am still on their site, and even allowed me to send a friend request to my old account. Facebook then followed up by sending an Email to the address I used for my "deleted account".
Short answer....they NEVER got rid of my info.... I smell a lawsuit!!
Ron, Thanks for confirming what I was talking about. No lawsuit however, because Facebook's privacy policy clearly states that they own your image and other data you place in your profile you are showing agreement to that when you open your account. So they can never be sued for keeping your profile after you supposedly delete it.
This hub reminds us that we are not as safe as we think we are when navigating the internet.
Have a great day my friend.
Hi Glenn,
Thank you very much for this hub. The inability to delete a facebook account has been the topic of many a conversation between my friends and I, it is awesome to know there finally is a way.
Just on your last comment about having to delete all friends first: I would imagine this would be unnecessary, seeing as once you type in the capture and confirm deletion of your account, thereby starting the 14-day period, your account becomes deactivated, and so your friends wouldn't be able to view your account let alone undertake any activity. At least that is my understanding of the matter.
Jimmie, Thanks for your comment and explanation of your thoughts on the matter. The problem is that it's difficult to have no activity, which is required to delete your Facebook account.
Many people I know have discovered that any activity by you or by your friends will cancel your request to delete your account.
That is why it's best to remove your friends first. And if you used Facebook connect to login to any other site, you need to stop using that. Otherwise simply logging into any other site with Facebook connect will cancel your request.
Maybe it's also about having prospective employers demanding FB users passwords. Otherwise I believe people hate change. I hated timeline at first, but there are features I must admit I do like.
Thanks for this post Glen, you saved my butt. I'm big on privacy and before the timeline came out I had spent hours, days.. deleting all of the old immature things I use to do in highschool since I was trying to build a better reputation in University - then the timeline came.. dundundundun.... and EVERYTHING from 2006 came back in a flash. I was so upset but now I know there's a way, thanks for that! And you're right, deactivation never was a way out - I used it so facebook wasn't so accessible and so it would serve to make FB less of a distraction.
With all the negative stories going around about Facebook and privacy concerns, the most shocking thing I have heard recently is that employers are demanding that people interviewing at a job interview agree to disclose their passwords for their Facebook accounts to their potential employer? That is sickening, there has got to be something done about that .. it seems like a gross violation of privacy ... ONLY IN AMERICA ....





janiek13 2 years ago
This hub reminds us that the internet is forever and ever. I have an account on fb, but it amazes me the things that people will share about themselves. Good job!