How Writers Recover From Google's Panda Update

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By Glenn Stok

Panda trying to be number one
Panda trying to be number one
Source: www.america.gov/multimedia/photogallery


The February 2011 Google Panda Update, as it is officially called, has caused a lot of concern for online writers and businesses with web sites.

A year later, the changes that I made, and the support of HubPages, the platform I write on, have both proven to work.

The modifications required to survive the Google changes have given me a better understanding of why Google needed to make this major adjustment to their algorithm.

Michael Wysz, a member of Google’s Product Quality team who works with webmasters, has given an important piece of advice. In short, get ride of low quality content.

I have made a number of changes not only to my Hubs (articles on HubPages), but also to pages on my business site. I had gone through many of my old articles and made the necessary improvements to those I decided to keep. I removed my content that was low quality based on analysis of my Google Analytics reports. HubPages had also enforced more stringent rules on quality.

By using my Google Analytics reports I was able to observe the traffic pattern on my Hubs. I have learned why certain things were not working and what changes to focus on making. I have a better understanding of why Google needed to make this major change to their algorithm.


Mistakes I Feel HubPages Made

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1. The use of Above The Fold Advertising made it obvious to readers that the page was focused on advertising. This may have turned off many readers, making them click away before reading anything below the ad. Google takes that short stay as an indication to lower the ranking.

2. The use of Kontera contextual ads was so displeasing to me that I only tried it for a short time. It creates irritating pop up ads when one hovers their mouse over the link. They don’t even have to click on it.

I had experimented with Kontera at one time. But I didn’t want to impose that on my readers so I removed them only after a short few days. Kontera never really worked well anyway. I found that most links were not related well to the context at all. I also found that it took away from the reader’s ability to follow the text.

In June 2011, HubPages had phased out Kontera. I think that was a really good move.

Learning from this, I realized I was making the same mistakes by using too many links in text on my own business site. Not Kontera, just plain textual links. But I did a lot of work there too, removing many textual links. I know now that they just annoy the reader. They want to be able to read what I am saying without thinking they need to click away to see what the link is all about. The text should contain all the important information in a single flow. We should not be sending the reader all over the place.


On April 26, 2011, Paul Deeds of HubPages announced in the Official HubPages Announcements Forum that HP will no longer suggest links. So HubKarma will be a thing of the past.

3. I think the HubKarma plan should be removed. I used this built-in link suggestion tool to add links to the text in some hubs. I was thinking I might get some extra revenue for passing readers to other Hubbers. And also to increase my HubKarma score just to feel successful (something that always drives me). But then again, this is the same thing as the problem with Kontera textual links. HubKarma never really helped chose appropriate links unless we worked hard at deciding which hubs to use.

I had to read the recommended hubs and then come back and include it or not. But I found a lot of other Hubbers were including links to hubs that didn’t even match the subject. They just did it because HubKarma recommended it and it was obvious that they didn’t have a clue what the other Hubber’s article was about.

I say this because I clicked on some of those links to see why they were linking to it. And I found hubs that were not related at all to the original subject that I was interested in. This left me with a sour taste for the original Hubber. Sorry, but some of them lost me as a follower for using HubKarma indiscriminately.

By the way, I still link to Hubs written by other Hubbers when I find they had written something appropriate to include along with my own article. But I don’t bother anymore with the HubKarma link suggestion tool. I find it easier to do it when I run across someone’s Hub in the course of reading and I think to myself, “I wrote a similar thing! I must refer my readers to this Hub too!” Then I go to my hub, edit it, and include the link.




How HubPages Reacted

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HubPages has made many important changes to their way of placing Ads and with the rules for placing ad capsules.

They also split all Hubbers into their own subdoman so each author has their own URL. This was done because Google said any low quality content can pull down the ranking of other content on the same site. By giving each Hubber their own subdomain, they are no longer effected by people who write spam or other low quality content.

They also introduced new ways to earn by publishing articles on this site. They worked out arrangements with eBay so that anyone can apply as an eBay affiliate within the HubPages Earnings Program.

They are obviously concerned about the quality of the HubPages’ site. I am glad to see that this is the case since I plan to have a long and rewarding future writing on HubPages.

These things seem to be helping. I especially have learned from all this. You might say I have a better knowledge of SEO now. But then again, the SEO rules have changed. So my prior knowledge (for what it’s worth) had to be modified.




What I Have I Done

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I personally had made changes to my business site to have less links within text that caused the reader to have trouble following along. I saw this helped with better page visit retention time. Meaning the reader stayed around longer. And I noticed more sales after making these changes. So I discovered that keeping the reader around longer translated into more actual sales.

As far as my hubs are concerned, I removed most of my Amazon and eBay ads. The problem with these ads was that once a reader clicks to Amazon or eBay, they are gone. I didn’t make any money yet and I won’t unless they buy something.

Pulling out the eBay and Amazon capsules leaves more attention to continuing to finish reading my articles. Google uses the length of time in a hub, or on any web page, to determine how useful or important that information is. They bring more traffic over time when they determine it is of value. They bring less or no traffic when it is of no value. Simple as that!

UPDATE: Since then I have added back Amazon and eBay capsules. It turned out that the subdomain split worked so well to increase traffic, that I decided to experiment with these again. HubPages did make a new rule that for every ad we needed at least 50 words in the Hub. So if you have 10 ads you need at least 500 words. Including these capsules had no negative effect and is showing some promise with extra income.

Another trick is to place all eBay and Amazon ad capsules near the bottom. So the reader has a chance to get through the entire Hub before leaving to buy something. It's a win-win as I see it.

In January 2012 Google announced yet another tweak to their algorithm. They reduce the ranking of pages that are too heavy on ads, especially above the fold, in contrast the the amount of content. In other words, the more quality content you have, the more ads are acceptable. Google is trying to eliminate pages that have mostly ads from appearing in search results.



Effects From The Changes

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A lot of useless Hubs have disappeared from HubPages and I see that some other sites have eliminated pages that performed poorly as well. SheToldMe, a site that many Hubbers use for back links has toughened up enforcing their rules on what they accept. They delete anything that converts poorly, as James, who manages SheToldMe, says. This will benefit all the rest of us who use that site to list our articles. Other sites that fail to conform will eventually lose out.

I think that because HubPages has reacted so well with making the appropriate changes, and reducing any focus on poorly written Hubs, Google is responding by noticing the majority of existing Hubs contain useful content.

I even see more traffic from Yahoo and Bing. I find that to be an interesting side effect. I wonder if that is due to the changes I made, or the overall facelift of HubPages. Probably both!



Personal Subdomains For Each Author

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In June 2011 HubPages was testing placing their staff in their own subdomains because Google said it may help separate the good authors from the bad and therefore the poorly written Hubs won't pull down the ranking of those who write high quality articles.

The test showed improved traffic and in July all Hubbers were given the opportunity to move their Hubs in to their own subdomain.

HubPages covered all the bases by setting 301 redirects from the old URLs to the new ones. 301 redirects tell web browsers the new location so when someone enters the old address or clicks on a link to the old address, it automatically redirects to the new URL. 301 redirects also instruct search engines that this is a permanent change. So the search engines update their links.

Now that I've been in my own subdomain (glennstok.hubpages.com) I have found my traffic building up better than ever. As you can see from the chart below, my traffic had dropped to half after the Panda changes started in February. Then when we switched to the subdomains, my traffic started moving up.

I have also noticed increased traffic from other search engines such as Bing and Yahoo, although I don’t know if there is any relationship to cause this. It may just be coincidence. But who’s complaining?



My traffic stats showing drop after Panda (2/2011) then rise after subdomains (8/2011)
My traffic stats showing drop after Panda (2/2011) then rise after subdomains (8/2011)
Source: Screenshot by Glenn Stok



I had to make other changes once I was in my own subdomain. I removed a couple of low quality Hubs. I did that because Google makes it clear that poor quality anywhere on a site will pull down the entire site. So we won't be affected anymore by poor quality elsewhere on Hubpages.

But we still can be affected by our own poor quality since our subdomains are considered our own domain now. We are responsible for our own fate.

I did a major review of all my worst performing Hubs and I deleted those that were rated poorly. I had deleted a few and I made many updates to improve other Hubs.

Those Hubs rated at the top should not be ignored and I review those too, to be sure they continue to get quality traffic.



Here's What I Continue To Do For Maintenance

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I review my Google Analytics to see how long people stay in each Hub and what search they did to get there. If I see a high bounce rate then I analyze that specific Hub to try to find out what changes I need to make. Usually I discover it's because of tags that bring in the wrong traffic.

I find I need to be careful with single-word tags as they can match too many unrelated searches. All that does is make the visitor go away as soon as they see that it's not what they were looking for. The end result is that Google lowers the ranking based on too many short visits. And I think the HP Hub Score might be based on the length of stay too.

You may have quality Hubs, but if you're missing getting quality traffic then you won't have people sticking around long enough to end up clicking a few ads.

It takes a lot of hard work to follow up continuously after publishing Hubs. But if you are in this for the money then you have to accept the fact that it's part of the business. You can't just write Hubs and expect them to bring in money. They need nurturing and tender loving care.

But it's nice to know that our efforts pay off. Isn't it?

See my Table Of Contents of my other support topics for additional help.


Copyright © 2011 Glenn Stok


Comments

Ms Dee profile image

Ms Dee Level 5 Commenter 13 months ago

Your summary of all we've been learning from the Google changes is helpful to me. I now have a few more changes to go make to my hubs! Thanks so much :)

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

Ms Dee, You're welcome. Glad it helped. Thanks for following.

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seanorjohn Level 2 Commenter 13 months ago

Glenn you are right about hubkarma. I still use it but it is time consuming ensuring the links are relevant. I only have 15 hubs but when I have 10 tmes that number I will probably reduce. Shame because it seems a good idea in theory.Didn't realise about kontera going and I pick up loads from the forums. Surprised I missed that news.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

seanorjohn, You may want to try an experiment. Remove some Hubkarma links and see if your Google traffic increases over time. Too many outgoing links lowers your page ranking. I still link to other Hubbers when relevant. But I don't use Hubkarma to do it.

As for Kontera...It's easy to miss things in the Forums. I am sure I do too. I saw it under "Official HubPages Announcements" ... look for "Phasing Out Kontera."

Thanks for stopping by.

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lbidd54 Level 1 Commenter 13 months ago

Thanks for the enlightening information.

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nicomp Level 6 Commenter 13 months ago

Farewell to Kontera. I earned about 4 cent from it.

Docmo profile image

Docmo Level 5 Commenter 13 months ago

This was a really useful update and very informative too. Thanks Glenn.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

lbidd54,You're welcome.

nicomp, Kontera never was know to bring in anything worthwhile. I just got pennies from it myself when I tried it.

Docmo, Glad you found it helpful.

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 13 months ago

Hi, Thank you for your opinion and the things you enumerated here. Were you just affected by the new update which was announced today by google? They enforced the Panda update to the rest of English speaking countries.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

prettydarkhorse, Thanks for stopping by Maita. I had just read about the global release of Panda but, no, my traffic for the past 24 hours (as HP reports it) is still consistent. But I wonder how it will be after a full day goes by. However, I expect not to be affected by a global release. The US release in February hurt for a while, but that traffic is back to pre-panda. I am sure that's due to the changes I made and those that HP made. Thanks for your comment and your question. Let me know if you were affected.

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Pamela N Red Level 6 Commenter 13 months ago

Glenn, I haven't had good luck with Kontera either. I still have it but may delete it after reading your article.

I only have a few articles with Hub Karma but it does take a lot of time to make sure the article we are adding is relevant and something we want to connect to.

Great article and good information.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

Pamela, No need to remove Kontera from your hubs. HP will be getting rid of them anyway on June 6th 2011. I've have been discovering a new problem with Hub Karma. Now with the new rules, I found a couple of Hub Karma links to Hubs that were deleted or removed. It is clear that HP is cleaning house to benefit the rest of us. So it's important to constantly check for dead links that occur as a consequence. Thanks for reading and commenting.

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Adventure Colorad Level 1 Commenter 13 months ago

Very interesting article. I just started writing with Hubpages, so for me the current conditions are all that I have known. It is nice to learn a little more about why so many people are frustrated with the changes. Hopefully as time goes on we will continue to improve and earnings will be back up

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

Adventure Colorad, Thanks for commenting. Yes, we are all hoping the Google changes will end up helping those of us who write useful content. Welcome to HubPages.

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zoey24 Level 3 Commenter 13 months ago

I have just been researching the google panda update and found your article. It is very useful, thank you for sharing and voted up.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago via iphone

Zoey, thanks for stopping by and for the vote up.

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Eiddwen 13 months ago

Hi I am bookmarking this one in to 'My most useful hubs'so thank you for sharing and I now look forward to reading more of your work.

Take care

Eiddwen.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

Eiddwen, Thanks for your feedback. It's always nice to know my writing is helpful.

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Vinodkpillai Level 1 Commenter 13 months ago

Thanks Glen for an interesting hub with useful points to ponder - especially Kontera and hubkarma links. Thanks for sharing.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago via iphone

Vinodkpillai, you're welcome and thanks for commenting.

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chamilj Level 4 Commenter 13 months ago

Very well explained tips. Thanks! Voted up!

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

chamilj, thanks for the vote and the feedback.

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Balinese 13 months ago

Hi Glen

thank you so much for sharing and helped me a lot -

im your new fan now

Cheers

Balinese

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 13 months ago

Balinese, I'm glad this was helpful. Thanks for following.

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HikeGuy Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

Happy to vote this up. Helpful, insightful points.

Glad to see your take on Hubkarma -- I've always disliked links in text as a reader. I tried it here, with related sites, but I like your strategy of linking to other hubbers outside of the text better.

I also appreciate your take on Amazon ads. I just started monetizing, and even though I have only one Amazon capsule per page, seeing that with the adsense ads looks cluttered -- advertising overkill. It turns me off as a reader, so I don't want to subject my readers to it. I don't think I'll use them anymore unless I do product review pages or on pages where I want to recommend specific books.

Thanks for taking the time to put this together -- you made my night.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 12 months ago

HikeGuy, Thanks for your comments with your response to my ideas. I also try to consider how things affect the reader. That's another reason why I don't like HubKarmer. Well, since I wrote this, HP decided to get ride of it soon anyway. Thanks for following too.

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ThunderKeys Level 2 Commenter 12 months ago

Up and Awesome to this Hub!

I'm developing my own website to provide evidence-based marriage saving and behavioral parenting strategies as a professional counselor.

I'm just learning about ethical SEO to find more target readers and eventually, customers, before I begin to write more hubs or articles on my new site.

You have really demonstrated, high quality writing here! Great example to follow!

Thank you,

- Duddy.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 12 months ago

ThunderKeys, thanks for your comment. I wish you the best of luck with your new website.

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ForrestDrake 12 months ago

Quality content has been always the answer...

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prasetio30 Level 8 Commenter 12 months ago

Nice information, Glenn. I learn much from you. I hope we can keep our passion in writing, no matter what. Success for you.

Prasetio

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 12 months ago

prasetio30, Thanks, much success to you too.

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prakashkl 12 months ago

It is the first time that I have read a hub full. Great hub. Presented for lay man like me.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

prakashkl, Nice to hear you found this great as you said. I do try to put my complete effort into anything I write about. Thanks.

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Rebecca E. 11 months ago

I agree with you, it is not easy to change things, and I had to do a lot of that, but wonders of wonders, the more I fixed, the more traffic I got-- I in fact went back to basics, fixing teh content, removing the vidoes, limiting my amazon capsules, but also, and this might be something to think about, putting all of my hubs on Stumble Upon, and Digg and then to teh "lower end" linking sites such as Redgage, and She Told Me, a lot of work, but in teh end big results.

Thanks for this hub. Stimbled for good measure.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

Rebecca, Thanks for sharing and for the Stumble reference. I'll have to try that with the other sites you mentioned.

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Sinea Pies Level 6 Commenter 11 months ago

Rebecca tuned me in to Stumble Upon. I am just getting started using that.

What's the deal with You Tube getting high SEO. Would that mean that using a quality You Tube video in a Hub would help raise SEO?

This hub is marked way UP and useful, Glenn. Thanks for sharing quality info.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

Sinea, I Stuble Upon once in a while. But maybe I should post to it each time I publish. It does seems to work and they are followinbg the new Google rulks too. Google owns You Tube. But that wouldn't be why it ranks high. Where did you read that it does? Anything that keeps the traffic on your page can help. So a video or two can't hurt. Just keep an eye on the ones you use as they sometimes get removed or blocked from embedding. Then you have to remove those. Thanks for the up vote.

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Sinea Pies Level 6 Commenter 11 months ago

Paul Edmonson wrote a blog guestpost somewhere saying that YouTube gets priority SEO treatment. I hope I am quoting that right.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

If Paul said it you can count on it.

I made a couple of videos for my business and they are out of date now. I need to redo them only because I keep seeing traffic there. Now I know why they are getting such good traffic. :-)

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alocsin Level 8 Commenter 11 months ago

Excellent article on this whole Panda business. Linking this to my own hub about One Month at HubPages, and voting this Up and Useful.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

alocsin, thanks for the vote up and for the back link. I'll check it your hub.

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crankalicious Level 2 Commenter 11 months ago

Very good hub. Explains a lot very clearly. Lots to think about.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

crankalicious, It's an honor to have someone of fame (from Vanity Fair and movie writing) reading and commenting on my hub. Thanks for stopping by.

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Brett.Tesol Level 7 Commenter 11 months ago

Voted up and useful ... an interesting read.

Think I might try making a few changes to see if it helps readers to stick around longer. If you have the time, a bit of feedback on a hub or two would be great ;-).

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 11 months ago

Brett, Thanks for the vote. I'll check out your hubs and give you some feedback.

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Brett.Tesol Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

Hey Glenn,

How are you finding the new URL system? I switched and let search engines know. Since then, I've had daily traffic, regardless of no hubs being published. Do you think this could be the right move to recover from recent Google changes?

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 10 months ago

Brett, you may have missed my comments on this in the forum throughout the month before HP made the switch. We were all discussing out thoughts as HP was testing it with a few staffers. Rather than repeat all my comments, I'll just say that I read the blog Google posted that made it clear... saying that low quality pages will pull done the ranking of the rest of the site. They also told Paul that separating Hubbers into their own subdomains will make each stand alone without affecting the others. So I am optimistic. Since the change I have noticed an increase of search engine traffic from Google, Bing and Yahoo. So they must use similar algorithms.

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Don Bobbitt Level 5 Commenter 9 months ago

Voted UP and Interesting! And now I am a follower! Very well written and you made the information simple and very clear. One of the best explanations that I have read to date. Thanks!

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 9 months ago

Don, Thanks for your kind comments and also for following. Nice to know you found it one of the best explanations.

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Rebecca E. 9 months ago

Yes very insightful, I've added my own subdomain, but have noticed that until I've weeded out some of teh poorer preforming hubs, I'll be getting teh spiike then drop, which is a bit of a rollercoaster.

Stillt eh subdomain change was positive, and as you've said, having less amazon seems to make a huge difference.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 9 months ago

Rebecca, Always good to see you around. I deleted a few of my lowest performing Hubs. Now that we are alone in our own subdomain I find it important to get rid of the dead stuff. It seems to help overall. Thanks for stopping by.

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Rebecca E. 9 months ago

Noticed that as well, I do have a new home for many of them-- excerptz or wizzley, but also Squidoo. They might do better there i'll let you know.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 9 months ago

Rebecca, I write on Squidoo too (Thoughtful_Observer). Just looked and found you. I'll check out a few of your lenses.

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courtlneygdtm Level 2 Commenter 9 months ago

Thanks for sharing this information. I am new to HubPages and was going to add Amazon and eBay to my pages. Now I have to decide if that will be my best move. I really appreciate your explanation of the Panda update. Voted up and useful.

--courtlney

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 9 months ago via iphone

Courtineygdtm, eBay is no longer easy to sign up with. Don't hesitate to add Amazon ads as long as you write enough text. The new rules require 50 words per ad. Thanks for the vote up.

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American_Choices Level 4 Commenter 8 months ago

Glenn Stok,

The Internet is the wild west - the rules are changing and Hub Pages is the cowboy with the white hat guiding us. Yes, they made mistakes but remember they were working within the rule set forth - when the rules changed, they changed - that is the sign of great management.

HP management is the go-to person for me on what works and what doesn't and why.

I remain concerned with the use of one's real name. I feel that someday this will have to be addressed. Safety must always be number one. The pen name is my item of first defense. My web site has been hacked into, my personal name attached to items not appropriate. I just purchased my real name for a website but am concern about using it - may just keep it parked - uncertain what and how to handle this identity item on the Internet.

The rules, the needs change, we must stay tuned for updates.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 8 months ago

American_Choices, You make a good point. I have considered this a number of times. But being that I had published two books under my name, I felt the need keep using the same name. But nevertheless, I totally agree with you that it's a concern. Each author needs to make their own decision on that. Thanks for reading and for your comment.

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Auntie D Level 3 Commenter 7 months ago

I found your hub very helpful and agree with you on using HubKarma for links. Your correct in that many of the link suggestions really don't have anything with what your writing about. I try to have no more 3 or 4 links but think I will try linking between paragraphs and see if this improves my rating.

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lobobrandon Level 5 Commenter 6 months ago

Nice hub :) Great explanation.

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princesswithapen Level 7 Commenter 5 months ago

Glenn

"Another trick is to place all eBay and Amazon ad capsules near the bottom." This tip that you've pointed out has a quite a few of advantages.

It allows the reader to go through your hubs in its entirety like you point out. I have also noticed that there are some publishers who want to focus only on revenue from impressions and clicks on advertisements - Adsense and the premium ones. Keeping the amazon links at the bottom will allow these publishers to focus on their goals, and not miss out on potential commission from Amazon and eBay.

Now publishers are getting over 'panda worries' and moving on to SOPA worries. Reading your own personal experience with the Panda update and subsequent recovery in traffic has been insightful. Thanks for sharing!

Princesswithapen

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 5 months ago

princesswithapen ~ You got the full understanding of why I said to place ad capsules near the bottom. Thanks for adding that extra explanation.

You are really up to date with the news. For those who don't know, SOPA is a new bill in Congress. It's controversial. But the plus side is that it's purpose is to protect us from having our written content stolen and republished. It will have strict consequences for websites accused of enabling copyright infringement.

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hazelwood4 Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

Glenn, Thank you for sharing such an informative Hub about the perils that Panda is causing on some websites. I will be making some changes to my Hubs soon! As far as above the fold goes, do you recommend the way you have this Hub setup? Should the first photo go were the ad usually goes? Thank you so much my friend. I will be sharing this one for you too.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 2 months ago

hazelwood4, I don't really stick to one pattern. In a few Hubs I let the Google ad appear on top. We still have a good amount of text above the fold, so it's okay. Keep in mind that when you are not logged in, you see an additional banner ad at the very top. That pushes things down even more. So keep an eye on your traffic and compare traffic pattern to your placement of your first image. Remember also that the first images is also used as the icon image for the Hub, when listed in your profile and in other Hub listings. Thanks for sharing.

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Rebecca E. 2 months ago

Glenn-- I've noticed my hubs going a bit beserk these days, but as yet hit teh nail on them as to what is going on, I've made some changes, but recently I've noticed in hubstats that I've only got teh one star link for linking-- so this might be a huge factor-- I wonder if teh 301 isn't working anymore?

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Rock_nj Level 3 Commenter 2 months ago

Glenn,

This is a very useful Hub. Thanks.

How did you actually go about using Google Analytics reports to decide which Hubs where hurting your Google ranking and should be removed due to low quality? Is it all summarized in the first paragraph under the subtitle "Here's What I Continue To Do For Maintenance"? A Hub about how to use Google Analytics reports to assess the quality of Hubs would be useful to a lot of us.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 2 months ago

Rebecca, The 301 redirect is permanent and is still working. But that basically has nothing to do with it anymore since the change to subdomains was along time ago and all search engines are indexing the new url's. The reason why you see your hubs going berserk is because Google removed their link relevancy algorithm with Panda version 3.3.5, which was installed at the end of February. I've notice my own traffic decrease about 10% and then bouncing around ever since.

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 2 months ago

Rock_nj,

I analyze everything Google provides in the reports. It's all useful. The thing that stands out the most, to indicate a problem with Hubs, is to look at the bounce rate, then figure out why people are leaving and not reading.

To do that you need to review the keywords they use to find you. If the keywords don't relate properly, the reader will leave as soon as they get there. Then Google will drop your ranking with the false assumption that your Hub is of little value, due a lot of short visits.

I also like to click on "Visitor Flow" and follow the paths they take from Hub to Hub. If I see a lot of people dropping out, I go and look at the last point of no return to see what I can do to keep people interested in looking at more of my Hubs.

As you can see, it's not just one thing. You need to make good use of all the reports Google provides.

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Rebecca E. 2 months ago

okay-- I can't keep up then! oh well. I suppose it will all owrk out in the end, and you are right the traffic has bounced back!

Kimberly Harris 4 days ago

Wonderfully well organized and informative. Funny thing - as of my visit today, all of your Ebay links are selling stuffed panda bears. lol You might want to get rid of those to avoid too much 'bouncing', as you put it. Thanks for everything Glenn, I've been reading all of your tutorials and it's a goldmine of information!

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 4 days ago

Kimberly, the eBay Pandas were done on purpose. But I may remove them because they're not selling anyway. You may have a point there. I'm glad you're finding so many of my tutorials helpful. When I first started writing on HubPages, I did the same as you, checking out all the tutorial Hubs others had written. There are many Hubbers who love to share with very helpful hubs.

Kimberly Harris 15 hours ago

Oh I totally missed the humor there!! lol At any rate, I'm kind of glad that I hadn't started writing hubs (and still haven't) just to have all of the game rules change. Must be a lot of reworking hubs for you folks that have been at this for a while. Also, for newbies like me, in addition to reading helpful articles like the ones you write, I've also spent quite a bit of time on Wikipedia looking up basic information like Google Panda, Penguin, SEO, etc. and it's really helped me get up to speed on the latest blogging terms and trends. When I look something up on Wiki, I always check out their references and external links, bookmarking those that are particularly useful and relevant to my learning experience here. Thanks again for your fantastic articles Glenn!

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Glenn Stok Hub Author 8 hours ago

Kimberly, Thanks for stopping by again. You are definitely putting a lot of effort into your research. I can tell you're going to be very successful once you get started. You write very well, both your comments here as well as your comment to my fan mail. Thanks for following me. I hope I continue to meet up with your expectations. And welcome to HubPages.

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